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Post by uofmehockey on Jul 1, 2012 22:39:51 GMT -5
I got a PM saying I'm on the clock, but as I look at the round 2 draft thread, it looks to me like it's still Dallas' turn??? Thought I sent to Dallas. Sorry for confusing you.
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Post by uofmehockey on Jul 1, 2012 22:44:32 GMT -5
Actually pretty weird because my e-mail confirms that it was sent to Dallas. Simply Bizarre.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2012 22:45:56 GMT -5
I didn't get it from you, I got it from NJ, which I thought was odd.
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Post by magicstew on Jul 2, 2012 0:32:03 GMT -5
Pick made - pitt PM'd
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Post by PHI GM on Jul 2, 2012 8:31:15 GMT -5
Brunner was a FA signing in the middle of the draft (Sunday) and is eligible for the draft? Not sure how that works. He should be signed during our FA period.
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Post by JetsGM on Jul 2, 2012 9:07:05 GMT -5
Brunner was a FA signing in the middle of the draft (Sunday) and is eligible for the draft? Not sure how that works. He should be signed during our FA period. interesting, the draft rules are vague on this. Only states that FA players signed after the regular season are eligible for draft(less than 39 gp), but doesn't say whether they have to be officially signed by the start of the draft or by when the particular pick is made.
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Post by Sami (CGY) on Jul 2, 2012 9:17:27 GMT -5
I think that the Brummer pick should be allowed since the rule was vague and many picks have since been made. However, as a matter of principle, I think that this is unfair and that the rule should be clarified and applied to the rest of the draft and future drafts. It does not make sense that a player is ineligible for the draft at the beginning of a round and then all of a sudden eligible partway through. Instead, all GM's should be selecting from the same group of available talent. Any signings that take place after the beginning of our draft should go into the FA pool.
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Post by PHI GM on Jul 2, 2012 9:18:23 GMT -5
i think the way the rules are stated, it is a legal move, but in no way is it fair to the rest of the league that whomever is on the clock when a guy signs drafts him.
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Post by uofmehockey on Jul 2, 2012 9:43:52 GMT -5
Based on the rules which are currently written, Brunner is a legit signing and will therefore stand. I also agree that it is sorta quirky. Rule will be changed for next years draft that players must be signed prior to our league's draft.
I didn't write most of these rules. Just sort of inherited them. But the goal is to keep a level playing field on such matters.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2012 13:48:57 GMT -5
so what your saying is, if i find a loophole, i can abuse it and it will be allowed but next year it will be changed in the rules?
not saying that whoever got brunner abused the loophole, im just saying that just because the rules were not worded correctly, doesnt mean he should be allowed to keep him. it is completely unfair to everyone to have a player suddenly eligible mid draft.
this analogy was used in one of my other leagues regarding brunner:
"Can you imagine Bettman saying the following during round 4 of the 2004 entry draft: "We have an announcement to make. Sidney Crosby has been added to the draft and can be selected starting now. The Minnesota Wild are on the clock." Wouldn't that be absurd?"
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Post by Sami (CGY) on Jul 3, 2012 14:56:35 GMT -5
so what your saying is, if i find a loophole, i can abuse it and it will be allowed but next year it will be changed in the rules? not saying that whoever got brunner abused the loophole, im just saying that just because the rules were not worded correctly, doesnt mean he should be allowed to keep him. it is completely unfair to everyone to have a player suddenly eligible mid draft. this analogy was used in one of my other leagues regarding brunner: "Can you imagine Bettman saying the following during round 4 of the 2004 entry draft: "We have an announcement to make. Sidney Crosby has been added to the draft and can be selected starting now. The Minnesota Wild are on the clock." Wouldn't that be absurd?" Right, but this isn't Crosby we're talking about. It's some Eurostar who, odds are, will not amount to much. Not saying that definitively but the odds are certainly against it happening. For me, a major issue here is that the pick was made ages ago and nobody took any immediate action to remedy the situation. It is arguably unfair for Vancouver, who made a pick that technically complied with the rules, to now be disadvantaged because we decide that the rule should be changed. He's now missed out on the next fourteen options. On the flip-side, it could be argued that such an unusual pick should have been cleared with the Commish before being made.
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Post by zaphod (NYI) on Jul 3, 2012 15:37:06 GMT -5
so what your saying is, if i find a loophole, i can abuse it and it will be allowed but next year it will be changed in the rules? not saying that whoever got brunner abused the loophole, im just saying that just because the rules were not worded correctly, doesnt mean he should be allowed to keep him. it is completely unfair to everyone to have a player suddenly eligible mid draft. this analogy was used in one of my other leagues regarding brunner: "Can you imagine Bettman saying the following during round 4 of the 2004 entry draft: "We have an announcement to make. Sidney Crosby has been added to the draft and can be selected starting now. The Minnesota Wild are on the clock." Wouldn't that be absurd?" Rhetoric much? Remember the huge hoopla over Fabian F'n Brunstrom a few seasons ago. Yeah, he turned out to be an amazing superstar. There is no way to change his pick now without changing each and every pick that came after. This won't "break the league" so move along, not a lot to see here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2012 19:12:03 GMT -5
so what your saying is, if i find a loophole, i can abuse it and it will be allowed but next year it will be changed in the rules? not saying that whoever got brunner abused the loophole, im just saying that just because the rules were not worded correctly, doesnt mean he should be allowed to keep him. it is completely unfair to everyone to have a player suddenly eligible mid draft. this analogy was used in one of my other leagues regarding brunner: "Can you imagine Bettman saying the following during round 4 of the 2004 entry draft: "We have an announcement to make. Sidney Crosby has been added to the draft and can be selected starting now. The Minnesota Wild are on the clock." Wouldn't that be absurd?" Rhetoric much? Remember the huge hoopla over Fabian F'n Brunstrom a few seasons ago. Yeah, he turned out to be an amazing superstar. There is no way to change his pick now without changing each and every pick that came after. This won't "break the league" so move along, not a lot to see here. so the pick is fine as long as he becomes a brunnstrom? the way i see it is either one manager gets the shaft, or the rest of the league gets the shaft. what's to stop other managers from intentionally skipping their picks, and then as soon as a player gets signed in the nhl, make that player their selection? let him repick again, and give him a consolation pick to make up for dropping 14 spots. i think that's more than fair. as for brunner, make him a free agent, and have it so either it is free for all once our free agency opens like last year (which i'm against), random order draft, or waiver priority or something like that. just make it fair, it shouldnt be the guy who lucks out when a player suddenly becomes draft eligible, gets to draft the guy
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Post by JetsGM on Jul 3, 2012 19:43:54 GMT -5
what's to stop other managers from intentionally skipping their picks, and then as soon as a player gets signed in the nhl, make that player their selection? from the beginning of the 1st rd selection thread- "Missed entry draft picks will be autoasigned on the basis of the NHL draft order. This will occur as follows: 1st round - at the end of the day on which the pick was missed 2nd round - at the end of the day after the day on which the pick was missed 3rd round - at the end of the round 4th and 5th round - at the end of the draft"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 14:45:50 GMT -5
Rhetoric much? Remember the huge hoopla over Fabian F'n Brunstrom a few seasons ago. Yeah, he turned out to be an amazing superstar. There is no way to change his pick now without changing each and every pick that came after. This won't "break the league" so move along, not a lot to see here. so the pick is fine as long as he becomes a brunnstrom? the way i see it is either one manager gets the shaft, or the rest of the league gets the shaft. what's to stop other managers from intentionally skipping their picks, and then as soon as a player gets signed in the nhl, make that player their selection? let him repick again, and give him a consolation pick to make up for dropping 14 spots. i think that's more than fair. as for brunner, make him a free agent, and have it so either it is free for all once our free agency opens like last year (which i'm against), random order draft, or waiver priority or something like that. just make it fair, it shouldnt be the guy who lucks out when a player suddenly becomes draft eligible, gets to draft the guy Are you kidding?!? Sorry, I'm a bit late to this discussion but I've recently been called away to work and just logged on to see where the draft was. The idea that I lucked out here is a bit absurd given that if Brunner was available from the start I think he still went about where he should have (correct me if I'm wrong people out there who would have drafted him higher). The two guys I actually wanted at that slot went just shortly before I picked (Scissions and Thrower) and I didn't really want anyone else available so I figured I'd grab a guy who will be in the NHL next year. There is no way in hell I would accept a consolation pick to make up for selecting 14 slots later. I actually had no idea the Brunner thing might even be an issue so there was no intentional 'loophole jumping'. The guy was drafted around where he should have been...end of story. We're not talking about some elite talent here (cough Jagr...cough).
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