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Oct 21, 2011 16:11:44 GMT -5
Post by zaphod (NYI) on Oct 21, 2011 16:11:44 GMT -5
Blake Comeau is currently getting healthy scratched because the NHL coach is a douche. Kimmo Timonen got banged up, his status is uncertain but if he goes on IR, I need his caphit to stay above the salary cap rather than put him on IR and then I am down 2 defencemen whom I have to make trades towards. I guess I am not a very big trader, which is this leagues premise. Hope I helped get New Jersey pointed in the right direction, cleaned up the depth page a little. I'm out. comeau and timonen are allowed to be on your roster. its not your fault that comeau is being scratched, it's only if he gets sent down that you have to do something. same with timonen, no one can control injuries, which is why i already stated that assuming your whole team is healthy you have to be able to dress a starting lineup. jsut wait for the commish to give his input, i think you're being unfair by quitting the league just because you have to make one simple trade for a dman. is that really a reason to quit the league? not gonna beg you to stay, but at least wait for the commish to give his input. That is rule A. How do you force rule B, but not rule A? according to the rules, if Timonen goes on IR, and I have an IR spot open, I am cheating by not putting him there and filling his D spot with another dman. but I will be under the cap if I do that so the team is doubly fucked. sorry, I know you are trying to downgrade the impact of the rule but you can't enforce 1 rule to the max and not the other.
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Oct 21, 2011 16:14:27 GMT -5
Post by uofmehockey on Oct 21, 2011 16:14:27 GMT -5
You're not completely fucked, always trades and sometimes FA pickups. We could reassess if we allow some or all IR salary to be counted. You have a point.
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Oct 21, 2011 16:17:20 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 16:17:20 GMT -5
comeau and timonen are allowed to be on your roster. its not your fault that comeau is being scratched, it's only if he gets sent down that you have to do something. same with timonen, no one can control injuries, which is why i already stated that assuming your whole team is healthy you have to be able to dress a starting lineup. jsut wait for the commish to give his input, i think you're being unfair by quitting the league just because you have to make one simple trade for a dman. is that really a reason to quit the league? not gonna beg you to stay, but at least wait for the commish to give his input. That is rule A. How do you force rule B, but not rule A? according to the rules, if Timonen goes on IR, and I have an IR spot open, I am cheating by not putting him there and filling his D spot with another dman. but I will be under the cap if I do that so the team is doubly fucked. sorry, I know you are trying to downgrade the impact of the rule but you can't enforce 1 rule to the max and not the other. then put timonen on IR? the point is if timonen was healthy you would have had 5 nhl dmen on your team, which is why you dont need to replace him with an nhl dman. faulk is not in the nhl, and therefore he needs to be replaced with an nhl dman. i know the tanking rules arent %100 percent perfect, so im sure we can change them. i agree that if your team is above the cap when all your players are healthy and if one of your guys goes on IR it makes you under the cap then it kind of screws you over. thats something we can discuss
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Oct 21, 2011 16:29:47 GMT -5
Post by zaphod (NYI) on Oct 21, 2011 16:29:47 GMT -5
if I put Timonen on IR, 2 things happen:
-I now only have 4 NHL defencemen on my team and nobody to call up -I am now about 6 million under the cap floor
the trade offers I've been given in my short time in the league, have been pretty bad. I am going to have to do a shitload of trading to get back above the cap, get up to 6 NHL defencemen (depending on further injuries, further NHL depth changes) and lose any semblance of depth my team had.
who is to say Faulk doesn't get called up next week?
If this were a Sim league, that would be one thing. I could control this kind of NHL movement, but it isn't.
finally, I've never been a big trader in the 7 years I've been in FHLs so it doesn't seem like I am good fit for the league, I am not leaving because my team sucks. I knew that coming in. I would be leaving because I am not the right guy to deal with the restrictions of the leagues rules.
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Oct 21, 2011 16:32:12 GMT -5
Post by uofmehockey on Oct 21, 2011 16:32:12 GMT -5
wait you'd only be $6 mil under the cap or do you mean the cap floor?
In any case we'll discuss this issue and just hang tight for the time being if you would zaphod.
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Oct 21, 2011 16:33:57 GMT -5
Post by zaphod (NYI) on Oct 21, 2011 16:33:57 GMT -5
under the cap floor. sorry if that was unclear.
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Oct 21, 2011 16:36:46 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 16:36:46 GMT -5
if I put Timonen on IR, 2 things happen: -I now only have 4 NHL defencemen on my team and nobody to call up -I am now about 6 million under the cap the trade offers I've been given in my short time in the league, have been pretty bad. I am going to have to do a shitload of trading to get back above the cap, get up to 6 NHL defencemen (depending on further injuries, further NHL depth changes) and lose any semblance of depth my team had. who is to say Faulk doesn't get called up next week? If this were a Sim league, that would be one thing. I could control this kind of NHL movement, but it isn't. finally, I've never been a big trader in the 7 years I've been in FHLs so it doesn't seem like I am good fit for the league, I am not leaving because my team sucks. I knew that coming in. I would be leaving because I am not the right guy to deal with the restrictions of the leagues rules. like i said earlier, the IR and salary issue should be discussed. in regards to faulk, you cant just keep hoping week by week that he will be called up. whats stopping a team from having 6 minor league dmen active and then saying "what if he gets called up next week?" i'm sorry if this isnt the right league for you. if asking to make one simple trade to get an active dman is too much for you then that sucks and i hope you find another league where you can just join and do nothing but sign players. just wait till the commish gives his input before you make your decision, it would be a shame to lose you already.
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Oct 21, 2011 16:43:05 GMT -5
Post by keytolife on Oct 21, 2011 16:43:05 GMT -5
Like stated my team lost 2 player to retirement this offseason another player with a high salary 1,75 died.
This lost me arround 4 mil in salary meanwhile the salary has gone up.
And where are those teams that needed to get under the cap willing to give away some players cheap?
I haven´t seen them. I´ve bascially had trade talks with nearly each team and all i got to pull of were two deals. The one with you i would have never done as well i´ve wasn´t under the cap, cause it wasn´t a good trade for this team.
I´m fine with tanking rules, but i promise you if i execute the trades that are offered for simple salary attached to bad players this would be a lot more taking that what i do at the moment.
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Oct 21, 2011 16:44:27 GMT -5
Post by keytolife on Oct 21, 2011 16:44:27 GMT -5
And if this league turns out to be a 24 hunt for salary that i´m no violating a tanking rule this isn´t a league for me either. I stepped in cause i know umeofhockey and he said you needed someone to take care badly to make this team attainable once again.
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Oct 21, 2011 17:00:10 GMT -5
Post by stlouisgm on Oct 21, 2011 17:00:10 GMT -5
Sorry guys. I'm in the middle of nowhere today with only mobile and very little signal
1st of all GMs should try to fill all active positions with active players. Players like Huet or Strome, who carry salary but are not on an active roster may be kept on the bench to be above the salary floor.
Current league set up does not give much flexibility and needs to be addressed. GMs should not be required to move high quality players solely to meet roster requirements. But they should continue work to get within roster requirements.
Hope this helps alittle until I get back to the real world later tonight.
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Oct 21, 2011 17:19:28 GMT -5
Post by keytolife on Oct 21, 2011 17:19:28 GMT -5
Some stuff you should think about is maybe switiching from wingers and centers to only forward spots to give this league a lil more flexibility. Another point is the one gguthe adresses. It shouldn´t be necessary to replace salary on the IR: In the real NHL they don´t need to sign players to crappy contracts cause a high paid superstar gets injured.
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Oct 21, 2011 17:31:12 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 17:31:12 GMT -5
so technically a team can trade all their players and fill their team with guys like huet/redden who arent in the nhl or minor leaguers like strome
i dont see what the difference between a gm that has to trade a high quality player to get under the cap/have the right positions and a gm having to trade his high quality player to get over the floor/have the correct positions. both cases have the gm having a worse team than if they kept their high quality player.
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Oct 21, 2011 17:31:30 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 17:31:30 GMT -5
I think there needs to be an adjustment to the rules. This is a 30 team league with full rosters. It's damn near impossible for all 30 teams to have a lineup full of NHLers. I think there should be a roster minimum that is different than the 18. A team like Chicago, who has a bunch of young players, should not be forced to sign garbage players who are healthy scratches every night just to meet a roster rule. To prevent tanking, make the minimum 15 players (or another number not 18 or 17).
If I had to pick up an extra NHLer, and picked Harry Zolnercyk of the Flyers cuz he played a couple nights ago, well now he's in the minors. So, now I have to pick up someone else who might get sent to the minors? It's a potentially never ending cycle of picking up unwanted players and dropping them and eating salary. And none of this benefits my squad.
Finally, I think there needs to be some subjectivity on the Commish's behalf. Yes, there should be rules to keep things as fair as possible, but there are also extenuating circumstances. The only way Chicago meets some of the rules requirements is to blow up his team of young talent, and that leaves them in the basement forever and unattractive to him and other potential GM's. My lengthy two cents.
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Oct 21, 2011 17:32:02 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 17:32:02 GMT -5
Some stuff you should think about is maybe switiching from wingers and centers to only forward spots to give this league a lil more flexibility. Another point is the one gguthe adresses. It shouldn´t be necessary to replace salary on the IR: In the real NHL they don´t need to sign players to crappy contracts cause a high paid superstar gets injured. that seems more than fair. no team can control if their players get injured, and should be punished for going under the cap
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Oct 21, 2011 17:36:00 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 17:36:00 GMT -5
just a random suggestion havent really thought it out but what about changing the 3F forward positions to 3 bench? that way weak teams arent forced to have crappy 4th liners on their teams, and good teams can have good bench players that they can continuously swap out.
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