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Oct 21, 2011 14:52:14 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 14:52:14 GMT -5
hey guys i could be wrong but there may be some infractions. from what i understand, if a player is not in the nhl he has to be in the minors. assuming all your players are healthy, every team needs to be able to dress a full nhl roster.
devils
faulk needs to be put in minors you need another active nhl dman
flyers
conner needs to be put in minors you need another active nhl lw
jets
redden needs to be put in minors you are severely under the cap
hawks
ellis needs to be put in minors finger needs to be put in minors schultz needs to be put in minors bowman needs to be put in minors you need another active nhl lw you need another active nhl rw you are under the cap
sharks
strome needs to be in minors kotalik needs to be in minors you need another active F you need another active RW you are under the cap
ducks
you need another active LW
leafs
ryan o marra should be in minors
sabres
you need another active RW
islanders
avery should be in minors need another active LW
bruins
you need one more active RW
coyotes
you need to make olesz active you need to put sutter in active when hes playing you need to call up meech/cowen and put him active since you only have 5 dmen
if the commish can please clarify whether this is correct that would be great. tanking was a major issue last season and i really hope it doesnt happen again, it would be a shame with all the hard work thats been put in just to have it ruined by people not playing their best possible rosters.
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Oct 21, 2011 15:02:40 GMT -5
Post by uofmehockey on Oct 21, 2011 15:02:40 GMT -5
okay I appreciate the initiative Ottawa. But I believe I have the number of players needed to have a team so if I choose to have 3 RW with 2 F or 3 F with 2 RW what is the difference? I am still generating points from the correct number of roster positions. Still the same number of players starting each day. You're going to say I need to make a trade just to get another RW when I am filling out my roster with the right number of players starting overall? Just not getting how that is tanking and trust me from last year I know what tanking is. Please explain.
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Oct 21, 2011 15:05:01 GMT -5
Post by uofmehockey on Oct 21, 2011 15:05:01 GMT -5
Just so you know. I added a RW now and bought out a center so it can have the formation you desire.
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Oct 21, 2011 15:11:55 GMT -5
Post by Sami (CGY) on Oct 21, 2011 15:11:55 GMT -5
okay I appreciate the initiative Ottawa. But I believe I have the number of players needed to have a team so if I choose to have 3 RW with 2 F or 3 F with 2 RW what is the difference? I am still generating points from the correct number of roster positions. Still the same number of players starting each day. You're going to say I need to make a trade just to get another RW when I am filling out my roster with the right number of players starting overall? Just not getting how that is tanking and trust me from last year I know what tanking is. Please explain. Well, no, you don't have enough to ice a whole team if that's what you're doing. Our starting rosters require 12 forwards: 3 LW, 3C, 3RW, 3F of any variety. That doesn't mean that you rotate guys from the forward slots into the other three positions. You're supposed to have twelve guys that can start on any given day... For anyone looking, I have an extra NHL D-man and an extra F/RW that could be moved. I can also help people who are below the cap floor but I can't be of much help as the most expensive guy that I can move in a minor, cap only deal is 3M. Oh, and thanks for doing this Praba, I meant to post something myself when I noticed this but got sidetracked with real life.
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Oct 21, 2011 15:19:04 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 15:19:04 GMT -5
i mean no disrespect buffalo, i just want to make sure we dont have a repeat of last year. if we fix this early in the season then we wont run into issues during the draft.
i understand your arguement, but then what is to stop a team from trading all their wingers for centers? they would still have the correct amount of active nhl forwards on their team, but they wouldnt be able to play like half of them. hopefully you see my point, thanks for making the switch, i removed you from the list.
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Oct 21, 2011 15:35:15 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 15:35:15 GMT -5
Is it a rule that the teams with too few LW's or RW's have to sign one? I thought it was tanking if they have an NHL LW on the bench or in the minors accumulating points when there is an open LW on their main roster.
Edit: It was answered - yes
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Oct 21, 2011 15:38:00 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 15:38:00 GMT -5
Is it a rule that the teams with too few LW's or RW's have to sign one? I thought it was tanking if they have an NHL LW on the bench or in the minors accumulating points when there is an open LW on their main roster. every team needs to be able to dress a full nhl line up according to our roster positions (assuming their whole team is healthy). if that wasnt the case, then a team could just trade their active players for minor leaguers. so yea, every team needs to have the correct amount of active nhl players with correct positions on their team.
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Oct 21, 2011 15:38:45 GMT -5
Post by zaphod (NYI) on Oct 21, 2011 15:38:45 GMT -5
I have as many active Dmen as are on roster and fit. I'm not stashing anyone who could be playing in the minors so there is no tanking taking place.
due to the roster size limitations, this is the best I got.
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Oct 21, 2011 15:43:10 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 15:43:10 GMT -5
I have as many active Dmen as are on roster and fit. I'm not stashing anyone who could be playing in the minors so there is no tanking taking place. due to the roster size limitations, this is the best I got. faulk is not in the nhl. you need to find a way to acquire another active nhl dman, whether it is by signing one or trading for one.
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Oct 21, 2011 15:50:28 GMT -5
Post by zaphod (NYI) on Oct 21, 2011 15:50:28 GMT -5
the only 2 available signee Dmen are Aaron Johnson and Derek Smith, from what I can see. both are on active NHL teams "currently" Both of the NHL squads these teams are from have injuries to better dmen, so when those dmen come back, and Aaron Johnson gets sent down and Derek Smith get sent down, I am on the hook for half of their NHL contract when I have to waive them to make more signings or more trades.
thats ridiculous.
additionally the previous GM traded away my 1st for the upcoming season so I have no reason to tank. If this is the rule the league follows, I respect that and respectfully withdraw from the league.
It is rules like this, along with the salary cap/25 minor league limit that keep franchises that are in trouble down, all the while letting the better franchises in this league to reap the rewards by forcing GM's to take on bad contracts to conform to the rules
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Oct 21, 2011 15:56:47 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 15:56:47 GMT -5
the only 2 available signee Dmen are Aaron Johnson and Derek Smith, from what I can see. both are on active NHL teams "currently" Both of the NHL squads these teams are from have injuries to better dmen, so when those dmen come back, and Aaron Johnson gets sent down and Derek Smith get sent down, I am on the hook for half of their NHL contract when I have to waive them to make more signings or more trades. thats ridiculous. additionally the previous GM traded away my 1st for the upcoming season so I have no reason to tank. If this is the rule the league follows, I respect that and respectfully withdraw from the league. It is rules like this, along with the salary cap/25 minor league limit that keep franchises that are in trouble down, all the while letting the better franchises in this league to reap the rewards by forcing GM's to take on bad contracts to conform to the rules good teams also have to make sacrifices trading better players for worse ones making less money so they stay under the cap. if there is no one to sign then you need to trade for an active nhl dman. you can easily trade one of your prospects or goalies for a dman. really dont understand why you would threaten to leave the league just because you dont want to make a trade so you have 6 nhl dmen on your team.
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Oct 21, 2011 15:59:04 GMT -5
Post by keytolife on Oct 21, 2011 15:59:04 GMT -5
Like stated if you don´t want the Chicago team totally gutted and unattractive for years to come i can´t do more than leave those changes in untill i get possible trades that aren´t killing this team.
Big salary is coming at a brutal price in this league and i´m trying to talk trades since i joined back in. I was able to manage to get back over the floor with Finger on it which cost me a lot of you pieces already.Cleary showing that i don´t want to tank at all doing those trades. If i need to do even more of those trades well... Not working. I can´t get younger cause and can´t win now all i can do is to play to somehow stay over the capfloor.You will have a bottom feeder without a GM for years if thats the way to go.
The sole trades that i get offered are trades for my the young pieces where i can get back crap. Just f.e. not a real offer, but Gomez for Seguin are the ones i get back as answers.
I didn´t want to take over this team for good just to help out the team for a owner in the future that you can progress your league.
F.e. i tried to claim DiPietro to solve the case but well my team wasn´t tanking enough to get him. With his salary the team would have been sitting at enough salary to trade for the necessary players.
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Oct 21, 2011 15:59:16 GMT -5
Post by zaphod (NYI) on Oct 21, 2011 15:59:16 GMT -5
the only 2 available signee Dmen are Aaron Johnson and Derek Smith, from what I can see. both are on active NHL teams "currently" Both of the NHL squads these teams are from have injuries to better dmen, so when those dmen come back, and Aaron Johnson gets sent down and Derek Smith get sent down, I am on the hook for half of their NHL contract when I have to waive them to make more signings or more trades. thats ridiculous. additionally the previous GM traded away my 1st for the upcoming season so I have no reason to tank. If this is the rule the league follows, I respect that and respectfully withdraw from the league. It is rules like this, along with the salary cap/25 minor league limit that keep franchises that are in trouble down, all the while letting the better franchises in this league to reap the rewards by forcing GM's to take on bad contracts to conform to the rules good teams also have to make sacrifices trading better players for worse ones making less money so they stay under the cap. if there is no one to sign then you need to trade for an active nhl dman. you can easily trade one of your prospects or goalies for a dman. really dont understand why you would threaten to leave the league just because you dont want to make a trade so you have 6 nhl dmen on your team. Blake Comeau is currently getting healthy scratched because the NHL coach is a douche. Kimmo Timonen got banged up, his status is uncertain but if he goes on IR, I need his caphit to stay above the salary cap rather than put him on IR and then I am down 2 defencemen whom I have to make trades towards. I guess I am not a very big trader, which is this leagues premise. Hope I helped get New Jersey pointed in the right direction, cleaned up the depth page a little. I'm out.
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Oct 21, 2011 16:02:06 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 16:02:06 GMT -5
good teams also have to make sacrifices trading better players for worse ones making less money so they stay under the cap. if there is no one to sign then you need to trade for an active nhl dman. you can easily trade one of your prospects or goalies for a dman. really dont understand why you would threaten to leave the league just because you dont want to make a trade so you have 6 nhl dmen on your team. Blake Comeau is currently getting healthy scratched because the NHL coach is a douche. Kimmo Timonen got banged up, his status is uncertain but if he goes on IR, I need his caphit to stay above the salary cap rather than put him on IR and then I am down 2 defencemen whom I have to make trades towards. I guess I am not a very big trader, which is this leagues premise. Hope I helped get New Jersey pointed in the right direction, cleaned up the depth page a little. I'm out. comeau and timonen are allowed to be on your roster. its not your fault that comeau is being scratched, it's only if he gets sent down that you have to do something. same with timonen, no one can control injuries, which is why i already stated that assuming your whole team is healthy you have to be able to dress a starting lineup. jsut wait for the commish to give his input, i think you're being unfair by quitting the league just because you have to make one simple trade for a dman. is that really a reason to quit the league? not gonna beg you to stay, but at least wait for the commish to give his input.
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Oct 21, 2011 16:06:37 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 16:06:37 GMT -5
Like stated if you don´t want the Chicago team totally gutted and unattractive for years to come i can´t do more than leave those changes in untill i get possible trades that aren´t killing this team. Big salary is coming at a brutal price in this league and i´m trying to talk trades since i joined back in. I was able to manage to get back over the floor with Finger on it which cost me a lot of you pieces already.Cleary showing that i don´t want to tank at all doing those trades. If i need to do even more of those trades well... Not working. I can´t get younger cause and can´t win now all i can do is to play to somehow stay over the capfloor.You will have a bottom feeder without a GM for years if thats the way to go. The sole trades that i get offered are trades for my the young pieces where i can get back crap. Just f.e. not a real offer, but Gomez for Seguin are the ones i get back as answers. I didn´t want to take over this team for good just to help out the team for a owner in the future that you can progress your league. F.e. i tried to claim DiPietro to solve the case but well my team wasn´t tanking enough to get him. With his salary the team would have been sitting at enough salary to trade for the necessary players. trading big salary comes at a brutal price too, lots of people had to make bad trades because they would have been over the cap. it's pretty fair the way it is imo...good teams have to trade their good players to stay under the cap, weak teams have to trade their good players to stay over the floor. i know you guys arent intentionally tanking, you made a lot of trades to fix your team, and devils doesnt even have a first. but the bottom line is if we let this go then there is no stopping a team from dressing like half a roster. last year there were some teams dressing like 20 players while others were dressing 12. and whoever offered you gomez for seguin should be hanged lol
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