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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2011 13:58:53 GMT -5
I could look this up but just running out the door, and limited time the next few days. What's the maximum number of players we can have on our farm team? Thanks.
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Post by Sami (CGY) on Jul 1, 2011 14:08:14 GMT -5
25 for this season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2011 14:20:10 GMT -5
Thanks Sami.
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Post by zaphod (NYI) on Oct 24, 2011 16:37:53 GMT -5
To carry on with the Farm Team size discussion,
I'd be fore increasing the farm size. If not you might as well switch from 5 round entry drafts to 3. Few people are going to be able to hold onto those later round draft picks anyways.
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Post by stlouisgm on Oct 24, 2011 22:33:56 GMT -5
Just for the record, when the league was originally formed, there was only guidance for farm size through this season. Therefore, the subject is open to discussion and I agree with Zaph that the final answer to this question will/should ultimately be reflected to determine the # of draft rounds we do implement.
It should also be mentioned that the league has already had some teams trade some of their 2013 draft picks, therefore a reduction in draft rounds would not be implemented until 2014.
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Post by johnnybower (Det GM) on Oct 24, 2011 22:55:29 GMT -5
Until then, could we not increase the number of minor leaguers or reserve players we can have? Don't know the mechanics of it all, just asking.
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Post by stlouisgm on Oct 24, 2011 23:36:15 GMT -5
Minor league positions will not change. Reserve positions will change to provide more flexibility, but the number of active positions will be equally reduced. The net effect of overall positions is none.
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Post by uofmehockey on Oct 25, 2011 0:48:34 GMT -5
so we're not adding minor league spots for the 2013 draft? I know some of the guys may make the leap but the vast majority will still be minor leaguers. I'm just not sure what we would do with the players we draft in 2013 than.
For the record I am all for reducing the rounds from 5 to 3 in 2014 since those last few rounds were such a hassle this summer.
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Post by stlouisgm on Oct 25, 2011 1:51:20 GMT -5
so we're not adding minor league spots for the 2013 draft? I know some of the guys may make the leap but the vast majority will still be minor leaguers. I'm just not sure what we would do with the players we draft in 2013 than. For the record I am all for reducing the rounds from 5 to 3 in 2014 since those last few rounds were such a hassle this summer. Increasing the "minor league spots" is open for discussion. That is what I said had not received guidance and is open for debate. Currently it is at 25. I don't believe reducing makes sense since we've already committed to 5 round drafts in 2012 and 2013. But maintaining 25 or increasing it would make sense. If the pool is maintained, then the draft rounds should be reduced to 3 rounds starting in 2014. If it is increased to 30, I would still recommend reducing it to 4 rounds in 2014. Personnally I like large minor pools, but I wouldn't mind if this one stays where it is or is increased just slightly (27 or 28).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 8:42:52 GMT -5
I can't stress strongly enough how much I'm against increasing the prospect bench We have a 30 team league with a 25 man prospect bench.....that's 750 prospects in our system already!!! I can guarantee you that well over 50% of these guys will never amount to anything at the NHL level and yet we're talking about adding more to the system. I spoke out against the absurdity of digging 5 rounds into the NHL draft and it was clear that most people couldn't care less by the time the 3rd round ended....by the 5th round people were actually throwing picks. The notion that we need to increase our minors in order to accommodate the most recent years draft picks holds absolutely no water with me. At what point can we ask a GM to finally cut bait on a prospect? Do we add slots every year for the indefinite future to make room for all the nobody's drafted after the 3rd round? Like I've said before, the settings of this league already make it intensely difficult for a rebuilding team, removing even more prospects from an already barren pool makes it even harder. I could easily cut 4-5 players from my minor league roster and I can guarantee you that it would make no difference to the future of my franchise. I also guarantee I can do the same for many of yours. When you're as deep as we are into the prospect pool these guys are such long shots it isn't worth changing rules in order to horde more of them. I propose we reduce the draft to 3 rounds and reduce the minors to 20 but I'll accept the status quo of 25 if people are going to fight hard for it. If you are fighting for this please explain to me how it helps the overall health of the league and why any of us should care about players with less than a 5% chance of ever playing in the NHL
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Post by JetsGM on Oct 25, 2011 12:58:44 GMT -5
I'm for the continued increase of our farm systems, 5 a year is fine with me, maybe with a a cap at 50 total down the road. if you want to limit the draft to 3 or 4 rds starting in a year we haven't received picks already is ok with me(tho would prefer 4). This rewards guys who follow prospects and do their research. There are a number of prospects with very good chances to make the NHL(and not just as role players) that are still available, that if I had more spots I would be very happy to acquire. And no, I will not give any names ;D. As to guys throwing away picks at the end of the drafts, some of that may have been due to having an excessive number of picks(more than 5 with multiple late rounders) with no open roster slots. As well, some GM's follow prospects more than others. I think that is the crucial point here. Like I've said before, the settings of this league already make it intensely difficult for a rebuilding team, removing even more prospects from an already barren pool makes it even harder. I guess I come at it from a different angle. What is the difficulty in acquiring the prospects you want through the draft? "Removing prospects" from the free agent pool is no different than "removing" them via the draft. As long as the player has played 39 NHL games or less you can draft them. If the intent is to rebuild wouldn't it be better to do through the draft system than during free agency when you are limited by signing resttrictions, competition from other owners and probably have already filled your team to capacity. What does everyone think?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 15:02:37 GMT -5
I'm for the continued increase of our farm systems, 5 a year is fine with me, maybe with a a cap at 50 total down the road. I was waiting for the punch line but it didn't come.......are you serious about having 50 prospects? I disagree that there are solid assets out there waiting to be had and I hope you don't take offence to this but I just looked at your prospect roster and could eliminate at least half a dozen that have little to no chance of playing in the NHL let alone putting up useful numbers. I say the exact same thing about my team so please don't take it personally. As for your comment about building through the draft, that is obviously the major tool any rebuilding franchise has but free agency and waiver wire pickups can also be very useful so what's the harm in asking GM's to cut a little dead weight from their prospect roster to give some of the bottom dwellers something to pick over? Digging into prospects as deeply as we do and then suggesting we go deeper makes no sense to me as we're talking about cannon fodder here. These are most likely not NHL players we're talking about so why waste any time with it. I'm not nearly interested enough in the success's or failures of career minor leaguers to dig any deeper than we currently are.
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Post by keytolife on Oct 25, 2011 17:12:20 GMT -5
I´m fully with the Jets here. I´m digging deep into prospects usually and i´m agreeing on that there at least 30 notables left that i would love to add to my stack and a decent amount of percent will make the NHL for sure.
And the prospect pool in this league is the smallest i know in all leagues i´m playing in. ( 6 keepers) so i do not know why it should get any smaller.
I see no problem with an increase if there are guys intrested in taking those 5 % chances. If you are not willing to digg that deep that is just fine. Nobody will force you.
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Post by johnnybower (Det GM) on Oct 25, 2011 18:10:13 GMT -5
IMO, I think the size of the reserve needs to be increased instead of the minors. We are governed by rules that real life isn't. Real life GMs can call up, send down, sit guys in the press box...all they have to do is put 18 skaters and a goalie on the ice within the salary cap each game. What can we do with slumping guys or guys that are not getting the ice time we anticipated? The vast majority of our players are eligible for either to be active or reserve...if you have a number of guys who are slumping or in the press box, the only way to get more productive players active is to release guys from the reserve...not a good solution.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 18:33:31 GMT -5
we really should have had these discussions during the offseason lol
why dont we just have a poll?
i really dont care what the farm size is, the active roster size etc. i just want people to be active and actually try to make their team better (not by tanking lol).
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