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Post by uofmehockey on Jun 28, 2011 15:32:59 GMT -5
Okay you guys can figure it out. I'll read it and comment if need be. I'm just trying to make it H2H and this is the only H2H option we have. I will work to get the stats equal but you all can discuss that.
My interpretation was that winning any category was equal to one head-to-head win not that 1 hit=1 shot but that all wins of a category were equal. I could be mixing up my scoring types.
Note: likely wishful thinking on my part
I also want to add that Stamkos doesn't only score goals so he should have some other stats. we could do slightly higher numbers for some stats but it shouldn't be much if at all.
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Post by dyzfunctioned on Jun 28, 2011 17:58:51 GMT -5
We can't do point values. A 50 goal scorer is equivalent to a 50 shot player if we do that H2H.
They're supposed to have H2H category-based before the season starts, and if not then we stick to rotisserie...
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Post by Sami (CGY) on Jun 28, 2011 19:42:10 GMT -5
My interpretation was that winning any category was equal to one head-to-head win not that 1 hit=1 shot but that all wins of a category were equal. I could be mixing up my scoring types. OK, that is how I interpreted 1 point/category attribution as well. We should just send Fantrax a message and ask for clarification. As stated, the intention was not to have 1 SOG = 1 point or to have to tinker with values for categories to achieve relative balance between them (I've done this for other pools and it's a constant battle to get the right balance). I'm sure that Fantrax will offer an option that whomever wins a category gets 1 point for that category, and whomever has the most points at the end of a block wins. Pretty simple stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2011 21:15:16 GMT -5
My interpretation was that winning any category was equal to one head-to-head win not that 1 hit=1 shot but that all wins of a category were equal. I could be mixing up my scoring types. I've never done H2H before but this makes sense to me. If it can be confirmed with Fantrax then we should be ok but if there's any doubt we have to revert to straight Roto.
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Post by uofmehockey on Jun 28, 2011 21:54:02 GMT -5
Straight from the Fantrax website after I took another look I found this. The ** means they are unavailable.
Head to Head (Points-Based)
Fantasy teams compete against each other 1-on-1 and receive a Win, Loss or Tie each Scoring Period, depending on who has the most fantasy points.
Head to Head (Rotisserie/Category Based) Single Win **
Fantasy teams complete against each other 1-on-1 and receive a Win, Loss or Tie each Scoring Period, depending on which team leads in more scoring categories.
Head to Head (Rotisserie/Category Based) Multiple Win**
Fantasy teams complete against each other 1-on-1 and receive a Win, Loss or Tie for each scoring category in each Scoring Period.
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Post by wildgm on Jun 28, 2011 23:12:24 GMT -5
Straight from the Fantrax website after I took another look I found this. The ** means they are unavailable. Head to Head (Points-Based) Fantasy teams compete against each other 1-on-1 and receive a Win, Loss or Tie each Scoring Period, depending on who has the most fantasy points. Head to Head (Rotisserie/Category Based) Single Win ** Fantasy teams complete against each other 1-on-1 and receive a Win, Loss or Tie each Scoring Period, depending on which team leads in more scoring categories. Head to Head (Rotisserie/Category Based) Multiple Win** Fantasy teams complete against each other 1-on-1 and receive a Win, Loss or Tie for each scoring category in each Scoring Period. Exactly. And we want the second or third option, which is for some reason not yet available. It was "close to completion" before the start of LAST season, so I'm somewhat concerned that it hasn't been done yet.
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Post by Sami (CGY) on Jun 28, 2011 23:53:10 GMT -5
Straight from the Fantrax website after I took another look I found this. The ** means they are unavailable. Head to Head (Points-Based) Fantasy teams compete against each other 1-on-1 and receive a Win, Loss or Tie each Scoring Period, depending on who has the most fantasy points. Head to Head (Rotisserie/Category Based) Single Win ** Fantasy teams complete against each other 1-on-1 and receive a Win, Loss or Tie each Scoring Period, depending on which team leads in more scoring categories. Head to Head (Rotisserie/Category Based) Multiple Win** Fantasy teams complete against each other 1-on-1 and receive a Win, Loss or Tie for each scoring category in each Scoring Period. Yeah, the second one is what I think we want. I hope Fantrax gets their act together but I won't be holding my breath after what happened last year.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2011 7:51:42 GMT -5
it is a h2h so at the end of the wqeek the person with the most shot win the category with 1 pts same for goal, assist etc.for a total of 15 pts per week if you win all the cats
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Post by dyzfunctioned on Jun 29, 2011 8:34:30 GMT -5
Guys I e-mailed fantrax about it yesterday. They basically said they're unsure that they will have it done and to check back in a few months...
God damn you Fantrax.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2011 10:46:29 GMT -5
Straight from the Fantrax website after I took another look I found this. The ** means they are unavailable. Head to Head (Points-Based) Fantasy teams compete against each other 1-on-1 and receive a Win, Loss or Tie each Scoring Period, depending on who has the most fantasy points. Head to Head (Rotisserie/Category Based) Single Win ** Fantasy teams complete against each other 1-on-1 and receive a Win, Loss or Tie each Scoring Period, depending on which team leads in more scoring categories. Head to Head (Rotisserie/Category Based) Multiple Win** Fantasy teams complete against each other 1-on-1 and receive a Win, Loss or Tie for each scoring category in each Scoring Period. Yeah, the second one is what I think we want. I hope Fantrax gets their act together but I won't be holding my breath after what happened last year. I agree that the second option is by far the most interesting. I'm ok with the third option in a pinch, but it takes some of the fun out of squeaking out a victory one week, as that wouldn't help you over the whole season very much. I'm very concerned that fantrax doesn't seem to have any confidence in their own ability to get features online on a reasonable deadline. Have we verified that we can change the weighing of categories if we are forced to use the H2H fantasy points option? And how would that work with rate-based categories like FO%, GAA, SAV%? I'm not a huge fan of straight roto, but I certainly won't leave or anything if we have to put up with it for another season.
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Post by Staden (TOR) on Jun 29, 2011 12:24:25 GMT -5
Single win is the best i think, especially for categories like SHP and SO. Multiple wins puts those as very powerful categories (much like in full roto), since often getting 1 SO or 1 SHP = 25 goals or assists.
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Post by wildgm on Jun 29, 2011 14:11:04 GMT -5
it is a h2h so at the end of the wqeek the person with the most shot win the category with 1 pts same for goal, assist etc.for a total of 15 pts per week if you win all the cats No. That's not how it works. You get 1 point per shot, 1 per goal and 1 for each Hit, Blocked Shot, etc. Categories are not compared to determine the winner, only Total Fantasy Points. That's why setting it all to 1 will not work as expected.
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Post by uofmehockey on Jun 29, 2011 14:18:27 GMT -5
That's understood Markus. I'm wondering which you would all prefer since Fantrax hasn't responded to my e-mail yet: Roto for another year or Head-to-Head Points based? Of course we switch to Single win if that becomes available.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2011 18:31:07 GMT -5
There's no good way to do head-to-head points based, as it's near impossible to weigh each category properly - particularly GAA and SV%. That's why we went with Roto last year given these same options.
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Post by Sami (CGY) on Jun 30, 2011 11:56:54 GMT -5
There's no good way to do head-to-head points based, as it's near impossible to weigh each category properly - particularly GAA and SV%. That's why we went with Roto last year given these same options. I completely agree.
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