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Post by uofmehockey on Mar 23, 2011 12:16:09 GMT -5
Below are the decisions that the Co-Commishs (Buffalo and Detroit) along with Ottawa (Disciplinary Committee) have decided to address tanking by certain teams. If you have any concerns about these sanctions or want the explanation let us know via pm and we'll give it to you. Please address the pm to "gguthe, swartzkov, ottawagm" The rules have been posted here: dirt30.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=overview&action=display&thread=5Atlanta: currently has lost of 3 draft positions has received a first time moderate infraction which equals a loss of 3 draft positions for each pick they use (either their original or whatever picks they acquire) for the upcoming draft. (Feb. 2011) Florida: currently has lost 4 draft positions Received a first time minor infraction which equals a loss of 1 draft position for each pick they use (either their original or picks they acquire) for the upcoming draft. (Feb. 2011) Receives a REPEAT minor infraction which means they loss of an additional 3 draft positions for each pick they use in the upcoming draft (lose of 4 total). (3/14/11) Columbus: has successfully appealed. no penalty. Philadelphia: currently has lost 1 draft position has received a first time minor infraction which equals a loss of 1 draft position for each pick they use (either their original or picks they acquire) for the upcoming draft. (Feb. 2011) San Jose: currently has lost 1 draft position Received a first time minor infraction which equals a loss of 1 draft position for each pick they use (either their original or picks they acquire) for the upcoming draft. (3/14/11) Again let us know if you need an explanation from us. You can appeal but it is unlikely to be overturned but not impossible. |
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Post by kanuck on Mar 30, 2011 12:03:39 GMT -5
What exactly is meant by loss of draft positions? If team X had the 5th overall pick and they "lost" three draft positions, they'd be picking 8th overall? So everyone that picks in slots 6, 7 and 8 get bumbed up one slot? I only see this rewarding three other GMs and having no affect on anyone else??? Hardly seems fair...
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Post by uofmehockey on Mar 30, 2011 13:53:45 GMT -5
I disagree. that is the case. it rewards them for following the rules which we all should.
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Post by swartzkov on Mar 30, 2011 15:11:41 GMT -5
What exactly is meant by loss of draft positions? If team X had the 5th overall pick and they "lost" three draft positions, they'd be picking 8th overall? So everyone that picks in slots 6, 7 and 8 get bumbed up one slot? I only see this rewarding three other GMs and having no affect on anyone else??? Hardly seems fair... The main effect would be on the person who lost 3 draft spots. Everyone else who follows the rules just improves their position by proxy. |
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Post by Staden (TOR) on Apr 15, 2011 15:44:29 GMT -5
i forget if we acually instated this but were we doing a draft lottery style based on the NHL draft lottery (where our teams were assigned the corresponding NHL team's place in hte standings) or maybe that for next year?
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Post by tavessoul on Apr 16, 2011 8:51:51 GMT -5
Yes, it was written into the rules, although it's tricky since there were sanctions (although I'm assuming they're applied after the lottery), in which case Atlanta won it (basically making up for the positions he'll lose to sanctions).  |
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Post by uofmehockey on Apr 16, 2011 11:03:40 GMT -5
i didn't think there was a lottery which I am firmly against now or in the future. What do you all think?
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Post by tavessoul on Apr 16, 2011 11:26:50 GMT -5
Considering a lottery has been written into the rules from the start, it's probably a little late to can it. I'm actually in favour of it, as it helps make sure that tanking the season isn't just blindly rewarded.  Yet, it can probably be discussed to take it out for the 2012 draft now, if that's people's wishes, obviously. Perhaps a poll? |
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Post by uofmehockey on Apr 16, 2011 18:05:04 GMT -5
fuck it i'm not letting some stupid lottery reward people who tanked by giving them a way out of skipping the rules. I'm going on the record now: If there is a lottery I'm going to resign my role in any capacity for this league.Where is it in the rules? you find it and I resign. been real guys.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2011 19:44:20 GMT -5
copy of the original rules...
Section G
Draft:
For info on 2010 draft(including Draft order) please see 2010 draft thread.
Please follow instructions in Draft Thread when drafting
For info on future prospect drafts please see Section F of Prospect Rules
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Draft will be based on order of finish with teams not in playoffs involved in a draft lottery(We will use same system as NHL).
Please note tanking is unacceptable. While non playoff teams may trade veterans
for prospects near trade deadline, all teams must regularily set their lineups
with their best players. The Ownership committee will moniter rosters from time to time, but especially near
the end of season. If a team is not setting their roster action may be taken in the
following ways
1) Altered Draft pick position
2) Loss of Draft Pick
3) Owner suspended till end of season(membership reviewed) & commish temporarily runs team.
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Post by Sami (CGY) on Apr 16, 2011 20:10:55 GMT -5
fuck it i'm not letting some stupid lottery reward people who tanked by giving them a way out of skipping the rules. I'm going on the record now: If there is a lottery I'm going to resign my role in any capacity for this league.Where is it in the rules? you find it and I resign. been real guys. You're going to resign because you didn't read the rules? Not sure you're standing on solid (logical) ground there, Comish. Why not just interpret the rule in a manner that reflects its original purpose? The section explicitly states that tanking will not be tolerated and that any violation of the non-tanking principle could result in an altered drafting position or loss of draft pick. I would interpret that section as granting the commish discretion to adjust the draft order as determined is necessary. Obviously we want to eliminate discretion as much as possible but it wouldn't be too controversial (at least not in my mind) for the commissioner to exercise said discretion in this scenario. I would have the commissioner rule that a team that has been punished for tanking cannot benefit from the lottery process. In case it is not clear, I would contend that this falls under "altered draft position". My opinion aside, I think that the following question should be put to a poll: "Should teams that are caught tanking be allowed to benefit from the draft lottery?" |
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Post by uofmehockey on Apr 17, 2011 2:56:25 GMT -5
I'm done with this league. I used to love it but it is too much of a chore to get activity and this just rubs me the wrong way. sorry guys too many people don't do anything and we literally have to pull them in and i am sick of chasing after those of you who take it for granted. few of you stepped up to join committees and in general being commish of this league has made me realize how inactive and how unnecessarily hard it is to make this league run. if someone else wants to dedicate the time that's great. I'm not.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2011 7:10:42 GMT -5
I'm done with this league. I used to love it but it is too much of a chore to get activity and this just rubs me the wrong way. sorry guys too many people don't do anything and we literally have to pull them in and i am sick of chasing after those of you who take it for granted. few of you stepped up to join committees and in general being commish of this league has made me realize how inactive and how unnecessarily hard it is to make this league run. if someone else wants to dedicate the time that's great. I'm not. I'm not that sure it's very different from many other 30 team leagues in terms of activity. This is the nature of the beast....getting 30 guys on the same page and paying attention is nearly impossible. Having 30 active GM's would actually be a minor miracle. Are you really stepping down or was this just a fit of rage? I, for one, appreciate the work you've done and hope that you'll reconsider. |
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Post by uofmehockey on Apr 17, 2011 10:57:53 GMT -5
I'm kind of unsure. I did change that rule on purpose because I thought general understand was that we didn't have a lottery and the official rules (the one's I wrote that no one has said they have any problem with) says:
Section K
Draft:
Draft will be conducted in the same order in each round (not a snake draft).
Only players who have played 39 games or less are eligible for this draft.
The first year of the Prospect Draft is a snake draft. After that all drafts are non-snake drafts.
More Details will be posted within actual Prospect Draft Thread
Rounds per Draft:
2010 - 15 RDs
2011 - 5 RDs
2012 - 5 RDs
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2011 12:40:14 GMT -5
My proposal is this:
Unless a competent committed GM is willing to step up and fill the role of Comish then we let our current Comish make the decision on this one.
It was inevitable that there would be growing pains with this league as there are with any other but things will be more coherent next year I'm sure of it.
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Yet, it can probably be discussed to take it out for the 2012 draft now, if that's people's wishes, obviously. Perhaps a poll?
