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Post by zaphod (NYI) on Nov 23, 2015 16:24:43 GMT -5
signed he went off of his waiver period on the 19th and entered the FA market.
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Post by PineRider (SJ) on Nov 23, 2015 21:59:17 GMT -5
Not exactly sure what the rules are... I put in a claim on the 18th, and I was waiting for the "official announcement" that I won.
I have no issue if Zaph gets O'Neill back - he's the one who originally waived him anyway...
However, for future waiver claims, do I just take the player after the week is up? Thx
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Post by mtlgm on Nov 23, 2015 22:51:43 GMT -5
Not exactly sure what the rules are... I put in a claim on the 18th, and I was waiting for the "official announcement" that I won. I have no issue if Zaph gets O'Neill back - he's the one who originally waived him anyway... However, for future waiver claims, do I just take the player after the week is up? Thx I kind of wonder about that as well. The first waiver claim i was a part of someone posted that I had won so I picked the player up after that. Wondering if we are supposed to wait for that good housekeeping seal of approval. Kind of like when I was a kid and I would get caught with my hand in the cookie jar, literally and my mom would throw one of her shoes at me. Not to be out done of course I would throw the cookie jar back at her. I'm here all week folks.
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Post by PineRider (SJ) on Nov 23, 2015 23:01:39 GMT -5
Kind of like when I was a kid and I would get caught with my hand in the cookie jar, literally and my mom would throw one of her shoes at me. Not to be out done of course I would throw the cookie jar back at her. Before or after you took out the cookies?
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Post by mtlgm on Nov 23, 2015 23:14:28 GMT -5
Kind of like when I was a kid and I would get caught with my hand in the cookie jar, literally and my mom would throw one of her shoes at me. Not to be out done of course I would throw the cookie jar back at her. Before or after you took out the cookies? After of course! I'm nobody's fool. But maybe somebody will adopt me.!
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Post by zaphod (NYI) on Nov 24, 2015 0:16:37 GMT -5
players are on waivers for 7 days. if you want him, I'll reverse my signing. That said, we need to amend the rules to state that after 24 or 48 hours even after the waiver period has expired if a GM doesn't add the player to their roster, the are UFA.
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Post by PineRider (SJ) on Nov 24, 2015 1:28:16 GMT -5
No worries... he's all yours. And thanks for the clarification - in the future, I'll just reach in and take my cookies.
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Post by JetsGM on Nov 24, 2015 8:43:51 GMT -5
signed he went off of his waiver period on the 19th and entered the FA market. went off on the 20th. if there's only 1 claim on the player and the 7 days has passed, no need for the winning team to wait. only time a decision/announcement i think is needed is when there are multiple claims. Think that it is a good about the window to add, think 24 is a little short, 48-72 seems ok.
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Post by PHI GM on Nov 24, 2015 19:33:25 GMT -5
I really don't care about this but he should be put on SJ. If he doesn't want him then he can drop him and NYI can place a claim. If a team wanted to claim him but was higher in the standings than SJ they wouldn't have put in a claim thinking they wouldn't get him. If SJ now drops him, they would have a chance to put in a claim. As it stands now, they get excluded from the process by no fault of their own. I doubt something like this is actually happening, but it might be and could in the future.
I do think a time limit should be added to the waiver claim process as it allows a team to keep players on their roster while tying up a player not on their roster.
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Post by PineRider (SJ) on Nov 26, 2015 11:42:45 GMT -5
As a matter of proper process, I would have to agree with PHI.
We should put the 48hr or 72hr rule in place, but since it was not yet in effect with O'Neill, the rule shouldn't apply. Doing it this way makes it consistent with other past (and future) instances: rule changes should not be retroactive. Just my thoughts...
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Post by zaphod (NYI) on Nov 26, 2015 16:37:34 GMT -5
signed he went off of his waiver period on the 19th and entered the FA market. went off on the 20th. if there's only 1 claim on the player and the 7 days has passed, no need for the winning team to wait. only time a decision/announcement i think is needed is when there are multiple claims. Think that it is a good about the window to add, think 24 is a little short, 48-72 seems ok. We want to promote league activity. 24 hours is a perfectly acceptable time period. It feels like GMs put claims on players in this league and then just forget about it until someone alerts them to the claim. That doesn't seem like a productive method. With that in mind, frankly the 1 week waiver period doesn't have any basis in NHL reality. I don't care which is decided, just that we have a solid rule going forward. as for retroactive rules, the player was claimed and then left without any action for 4 days. I don't see the sense in punishing active GMs so that casual GMs should benefit. If Piney had contacted WPG after the 7 days were up, he would have a case. more importantly, Fantrax allows for GMs to put claims on players on waivers and after the 7 days is up, Fantrax will add the player automatically for you.
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Post by Sami (CGY) on Nov 26, 2015 17:19:16 GMT -5
Generally, I agree with most of what you've said here Zaph.
However, I think you missed Philly's point here. What happened here could potentially punish otherwise active GMs, namely GMs who would have put in a claim but did not only because they knew the claim would lose to that which was already made.
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Post by PineRider (SJ) on Nov 26, 2015 20:34:59 GMT -5
Another point is that process is process.
I (incorrectly) thought that I had to wait for Wpg to make claims "official"; if that was the case, my feeling is that Wpg will get to it when he gets to it. I'm not going to pester him about getting O'Neill on my roster...?!! If it was Seguin, sure! But we're talking about waiver drops here...
Now knowing that the process is different, for everyone's benefit, we should document the rule for clarity. That's all.
Thanks for pointing out that I can make the claim in Fantrax before the week is up... that's news to me and will try next time.
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Post by zaphod (NYI) on Dec 1, 2015 14:08:27 GMT -5
Generally, I agree with most of what you've said here Zaph. However, I think you missed Philly's point here. What happened here could potentially punish otherwise active GMs, namely GMs who would have put in a claim but did not only because they knew the claim would lose to that which was already made. I see your point but you should always put in a claim, a GM could pull their claim before the period has ended.
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