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Dec 2, 2015 8:04:54 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 8:04:54 GMT -5
If we're spitballing ideas here, I like the idea of dropping a D slot and adding a util slot. I also like the idea of contracting the minors. I'm sure there are some diehards out there who'd argue the opposite but I must admit, when I peruse our FA pickups it reads like a who's-who of players that will most likely never get a sniff of NHL action. As much as I enjoy the prospect game I have little to no interest in spending much time researching the absolute longshots that we're reduced to in order to fill out a minor league roster. It's got to be hellish to take over a team and try to find just one D level prospect available anywhere.
PIMs are a bit of a shitty stat but I'd argue +/- is just as shitty and usually less predictable. Winning in fantasy hockey is partly about making informed decisions regarding outcomes that can be modeled and predicted and in that sense I'd support PIMs over +/- or SHP or SO or GAA. All of those stats are are random 'noise' for the most part and not something we can really build a team around although someone did point out that even PIMs are getting tough to predict. Goals, primary assists and SOG are the backbone of forward stats and SV% is the backbone of Goalie stats. PIMs were always meant as a way of giving value to 'sandpaper' players but maybe in todays they are becoming a 'noisier' stat.....I'm talking myself in a circle here In closing, is there any reason we can't just reduce the stat categories and forget about replacing them? I vote to slash PIMS, +/-, SHP and GAA (or SO) The Bolded-nonsense, I took over a team and it's loaded with D prospects I added. Oh wait, maybe i'm just loaded. But seriously, there is no rule that says each team MUST have 25 prospects. I went up to the max and went down and back up and I'll likely sign one today sometime for s**** and giggles but you only need to have as many as you feel like having. When I took over and got rid of prospects who were either dead or in jail or playing hooky instead of hockey I think I had 5 or 6 left. I enjoy scrounging for prospects and a players value goes up and down every day and a 7th rounder can all of a sudden become a roster player. I think 25 is fine. It's a little lower than what the ZFHL allows and far lower than the bloated minors of 65 in SCFHL(I like that number as well, so there). I think it is not a bad thing to have variety in the leagues one is in if you are in more than one. Plus how to implement reducing prospect rosters. In a vacuum each team will add 3 a year. It would have to be a two year thing really to have teams gradually pare down their prospect rosters after having built them up. I'm newer but that isn't fair to teams who have meticulously cultivated a prospect roster with a definite plan and direction in mind. Just saying. As far as stats, a wholesale sweeping change isn't a good idea either as teams are built with the stats in mind. truculence is not a bad idea but would still consider looking at replacing our newly condensed by two stat package with stats that further enhance the edict of making every player potentially have some value. As far as SOG's a player can be credited with a shot on goal from his own blueline if he is lucky enough to get it by everyone and on goal. Don't really want any player credited with that bs not to mention some players are shooting when they hit the parking lot of the arena. A better stat is SH%(shooting percentage, not sure if that is the correct fantrax abbreviation). At least a player is getting credit for some success at shooting. Giveaway/Takeway gives some indication of how good or bad a player is in regards to possession stats one of the new favorite toys in terms of stat analysis and i don't think it overly favors anyone. No more subjective than Hits/Blocks which would be melded with PIMS for truculence. Don't think you want to get rid of GAA or SO's with maybe GAA since we have SV% being the one most possible to be removed. A 2 to 1 skater/goaltender ratio needs to be maintained though I think. It's fantasy hockey and though we try it never totally emulates the real game and the same stats we use can be just as egregious in the real game. well, that was fun. Happy debating boys
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Dec 2, 2015 10:03:17 GMT -5
Post by Sami (CGY) on Dec 2, 2015 10:03:17 GMT -5
I don't see the need for many of these changes. Some stats are subjective, the game changes and it makes some stats harder to fill than others... these things have always been true. I think I could get more into these debates if we were starting a league from scratch but now that we've come this far, I'm having trouble identifying the need for change.
The only thing that's somewhat appealed to me out of this debate is dropping a D slot and adding a utility spot. Even then, with the depth of our rosters and NHL scheduling, it would be a rare day for that to actually make a difference and it would only affect the teams right at the top of the standings.
I would also mildly oppose contraction of the farm systems. For me, finding good talent in the prospect ranks is one of the most challenging (and therefore appealing) parts of this pool. I can't say that I feel too strongly about this though.
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Dec 2, 2015 11:18:32 GMT -5
Post by mtlgm on Dec 2, 2015 11:18:32 GMT -5
The Bolded-nonsense, I took over a team and it's loaded with D prospects I added. Oh wait, maybe i'm just loaded. But seriously, there is no rule that says each team MUST have 25 prospects. I went up to the max and went down and back up and I'll likely sign one today sometime for s**** and giggles but you only need to have as many as you feel like having. When I took over and got rid of prospects who were either dead or in jail or playing hooky instead of hockey I think I had 5 or 6 left. I enjoy scrounging for prospects and a players value goes up and down every day and a 7th rounder can all of a sudden become a roster player. I think 25 is fine. It's a little lower than what the ZFHL allows and far lower than the bloated minors of 65 in SCFHL(I like that number as well, so there). I think it is not a bad thing to have variety in the leagues one is in if you are in more than one. Plus how to implement reducing prospect rosters. In a vacuum each team will add 3 a year. It would have to be a two year thing really to have teams gradually pare down their prospect rosters after having built them up. I'm newer but that isn't fair to teams who have meticulously cultivated a prospect roster with a definite plan and direction in mind. Just saying. As far as stats, a wholesale sweeping change isn't a good idea either as teams are built with the stats in mind. truculence is not a bad idea but would still consider looking at replacing our newly condensed by two stat package with stats that further enhance the edict of making every player potentially have some value. As far as SOG's a player can be credited with a shot on goal from his own blueline if he is lucky enough to get it by everyone and on goal. Don't really want any player credited with that bs not to mention some players are shooting when they hit the parking lot of the arena. A better stat is SH%(shooting percentage, not sure if that is the correct fantrax abbreviation). At least a player is getting credit for some success at shooting. Giveaway/Takeway gives some indication of how good or bad a player is in regards to possession stats one of the new favorite toys in terms of stat analysis and i don't think it overly favors anyone. No more subjective than Hits/Blocks which would be melded with PIMS for truculence. Don't think you want to get rid of GAA or SO's with maybe GAA since we have SV% being the one most possible to be removed. A 2 to 1 skater/goaltender ratio needs to be maintained though I think. It's fantasy hockey and though we try it never totally emulates the real game and the same stats we use can be just as egregious in the real game. well, that was fun. Happy debating boys Is there a problem? Poking fun at my pathetic D depth and D level prospect depth if that's ok with you. And expressing my opinion with regards to rosters and stat categories, again if that is alright with you. Didn't get the memo that stated your post was to be taken as gospel. Ultimately I don't give a flying fig newton if cats or roster sizes are changed as I will work with whatever is decided but pretty sure it's ok to express my opinion on them. Pretty sure I'm not expected to sit at the back of the bus and if changes are proposed I will be allowed to vote.
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Dec 3, 2015 7:27:51 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 7:27:51 GMT -5
Pretty sure I'm not expected to sit at the back of the bus and if changes are proposed I will be allowed to vote. GET TO THE BACK OF THE PENALTY BOX! Two minutes for opining.
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Post by mtlgm on Dec 3, 2015 10:48:04 GMT -5
Pretty sure I'm not expected to sit at the back of the bus and if changes are proposed I will be allowed to vote. GET TO THE BACK OF THE PENALTY BOX! Two minutes for opining. So a double minor then? Two minutes for opining and two minutes for looking so good.
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