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Post by uofmehockey on Jul 3, 2011 8:27:41 GMT -5
Hey guys I think we should try to figure this one out soon so let's get the voting started. Just so you know you can retract votes and re-vote if need be. Any questions or details you have about any of the choices feel free to put them in.
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Post by JetsGM on Jul 3, 2011 10:16:22 GMT -5
Before voting, I'd like to here more details about each of the plans. Is this for all FA signings no matter what time of year or is this only for off-season signings or only for FA's that other teams drop because of the increase in their new salary?
If using draft picks, what happens when 2 teams are willing to give a 1st? who gets the player?
I still haven't heard the reasons of why we should switch from our current system, one that we haven't even experienced yet. If a team wants a player they have to have both cap space and roster space before they complete their add, and if they have a full roster they have to drop a player, sending a new player through the waiver system.
From what I can tell most of this came up because of one player- Jaromir Jagr- a 39 year old player who is only signed for one year. That seems a small reason to make a drastic change; would like to hear more.......
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Post by uofmehockey on Jul 3, 2011 11:07:20 GMT -5
Yeah it would likely only be for this offseason. Since next year we'll just wait until FA opens to do the draft or even if we don't wait we'll let people pick European-league players and whomever people don't keep in the draft (this is the Canucks idea).
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Post by Staden (TOR) on Jul 3, 2011 13:02:37 GMT -5
If using draft picks, what happens when 2 teams are willing to give a 1st? who gets the player? Whoever bid the first, first. It's the only way and prevents better teams getting screwed by a worse team just matching. It also forces teams to make honest bids since you wont just want to wait to see what others will bid. Also you would be able to bid multiple picks (like a first and a fifth) I like this over the other ideas since it is easier to track than the salary bidding, and I like bidding over random because it gives the player to the team that wants him most and isn't just looking to get him to flip. Also yes i think this is just for this year as future years they will be available in the draft or something. Additionally If either bidding option is chosen i have a few rules for bidding i think should be implemented (to prevent last minute bidding and in the case of salary bidding upping by a dollar etc) This is all i have against salary bidding: Tough to track (think not? ask how the buyouts is going) No long term consequence = upping just to get him to trade, No negative to filling cap for this one year. Against random or Rotating waiver: Again no lasting repercussions to deter someone from just getting him to trade away. Basically i feel like any other way then draft pick bidding leaves the door open for draft pick bidding to happen regardless but the picks would end up going to whoever got him from the salary cap bid or other means of aquiring him.
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Post by uofmehockey on Jul 3, 2011 13:18:38 GMT -5
good points Staden. thank you for your input.
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Post by Staden (TOR) on Jul 3, 2011 13:47:24 GMT -5
no problem . I am fine with whatever gets chosen but i might as well share my point of view
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Post by uofmehockey on Jul 3, 2011 13:51:50 GMT -5
I'm glad. I like that mentality. It should help others make decisions too but still judge for themselves.
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Post by magicstew on Jul 3, 2011 14:02:52 GMT -5
I'm thinking this "Jagr" thing should just be a one year event, as we said no free agent pick-ups after season ended because of college signings etc. I think after this year if a player is listed as a free agent on Fantrax and played more than 40 games then it is first come first serve. Everyone had a shot at picking up Jagr all year, and someone has Radulov on their roster. That way we don't have to stop signing free agents, also when you pick someone up you have to drop someone from your roster to meet salary and roster requirements. The next issue is to make a ruling on college / non drafted European NHL free agent signings. I think they should go to a waiver period for everyone, once they are added to Fantrax database. Also for our annual draft if a player has played less than 40 games and is a free agent on Fantrax, then they should be eligible to be drafted, even if they were picked and dropped previously. The question is then do you make Fantrax the deciding factor or whoever posts on proboards first the deciding factor.
Just a few quick thoughts from Dauphin Mb. on my annual Barry Trotz search, no luck this year.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2011 14:03:18 GMT -5
Staden's post has affected my original thinking on this topic. Before this discussion, my proposal was for us to have a period (maybe a week) where teams can confidentially submit the names of any players they want to sign as FAs. If a player is desired by only one team, that team gets him. If more than one team wants a particular player, then priority would be determined either by the regular waiver list or a separate list just for free agency (maybe randomly generated).
As Staden pointed out, there is a risk that teams will acquire guys just for the trade potential. There are only a few players that would probably qualify there, as the rest were available during the regular season and thus don't have much trade value. I'm happy to go with pick-bidding if more than one team wants the same player. I don't think cap bidding will work, as has been mentioned, it would be a nightmare to track.
Whatever we decide for this year, I think next year we shouldn't shut down the free agent system during the off season, like we did this year. I'm much happier with a first-come, first-served approach as long as the option is continuously open. I only feel that we need to do something differently this year because we've had such a long downtime, leading to too much of a rush if we just open everything up.
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Post by JetsGM on Jul 3, 2011 15:27:04 GMT -5
Great input so far. I still get the impression that this all about Jagr. based onthe fact that this is a one year proposal and he keeps being mentioned. I don't get it.I dont forsee thishugepool of FA.
With the draft picks- not all firsts are equal -#21 is not the same as#4
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2011 16:18:22 GMT -5
As Staden pointed out, there is a risk that teams will acquire guys just for the trade potential. I fail to see why it matters what a team does with the player
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Post by uofmehockey on Jul 3, 2011 16:22:37 GMT -5
same Vancouver. If the trade value is what helps a team who cares?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2011 16:27:41 GMT -5
I still haven't heard the reasons of why we should switch from our current system There have been a mulitude of reasons posted already as to why our current system is flawed but I will attemt to summarize. Not everyone has equal access to the internet 24/7 so our current system favours guys who are online all day. We have league members in many different time zones so a player could become available in the middle of, what could be their night. In the case of Jagr we now have a FA who all 30 teams want, it simply doesn't make any sense for him to go to the person who just happens to luck out and have their post show up first. I can keep going but I've posted about this already.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2011 16:29:49 GMT -5
Whatever we decide for this year, I think next year we shouldn't shut down the free agent system during the off season, like we did this year. I'm much happier with a first-come, first-served approach as long as the option is continuously open. I only feel that we need to do something differently this year because we've had such a long downtime, leading to too much of a rush if we just open everything up. I disagree, our draft is too deep as it is and I think that shutting down FA activity and allowing these players to enter our draft would serve to strengthen our draft and that is good for the league.
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